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		<title>Ubuntu 10.04: Lucid&#8217;s Papercut Redux Reveals Much</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daengbo</dc:creator>
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</div>There is going to be a second set of papercut fixes, divided into ten rounds of ten bugs each, the first three of which will actually be about Karmic fixes that didn't get into the release.<br />
Round four will be specifically about Empathy.<br />
Round five will be about Gwibber. That's right, Gwibber is going to be a default app in Lucid.<br />
Round six is going to work on sound and video, including <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Main_Page" rel="homepage" title="PiTiVi">PiTiVi</a>. Again, that means PiTiVi will be included.<br />
Round seven will target <a class="zem_slink" href="http://f-spot.org/" rel="homepage" title="F-Spot">F-Spot</a> since The <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gimp.org/" rel="homepage" title="GIMP">GIMP</a> is definitely out of Lucid.<br />
Rounds eight, nine, and ten will work on notifications (fixing the location?), <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.compiz.org/" rel="homepage" title="Compiz">Compiz</a>, and "etc.," respectively.<br />
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To summarize -- GIMP out, Gwibber and PiTiVi in.<br />
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</div>There is going to be a second set of papercut fixes, divided into ten rounds of ten bugs each, the first three of which will actually be about Karmic fixes that didn't get into the release.<br />
Round four will be specifically about Empathy.<br />
Round five will be about Gwibber. That's right, Gwibber is going to be a default app in Lucid.<br />
Round six is going to work on sound and video, including <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Main_Page" rel="homepage" title="PiTiVi">PiTiVi</a>. Again, that means PiTiVi will be included.<br />
Round seven will target <a class="zem_slink" href="http://f-spot.org/" rel="homepage" title="F-Spot">F-Spot</a> since The <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gimp.org/" rel="homepage" title="GIMP">GIMP</a> is definitely out of Lucid.<br />
Rounds eight, nine, and ten will work on notifications (fixing the location?), <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.compiz.org/" rel="homepage" title="Compiz">Compiz</a>, and "etc.," respectively.<br />
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To summarize -- GIMP out, Gwibber and PiTiVi in.<br />
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		<title>What Applications Should be in the Standard Installation?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daengbo</dc:creator>
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You may have heard that <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gimp.org/" rel="homepage" title="GIMP">GIMP</a> and <a class="zem_slink" href="http://f-spot.org/" rel="homepage" title="F-Spot">F-Spot</a> aren't safe for inclusion in 10.04. 700MB isn't much space to work with Why not question all the applications in <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.ubuntu.com/" rel="homepage" title="Ubuntu">Ubuntu</a>, then? What should be in the default installation? I'll look category by category, but I'll talk a little about why the current defaults are chosen first.<br />
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Ubuntu is first and foremost a <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gnome.org/" rel="homepage" title="GNOME">GNOME</a> distribution. It takes GNOME applications unless there's a definitive reason not to. For example, <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/" rel="homepage" title="Firefox">Firefox</a> was originally used instead of the GNOME default <a class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_%28web_browser%29" rel="wikipedia" title="Epiphany (web browser)">Epiphany browser</a> because Epiphany was in a terrible state at the time, and FF is still preferred because it's a very poplar browser and serves as a familiar signpost to switchers. But mostly, you've got <a class="zem_slink" href="http://gnome.org/projects/totem/" rel="homepage" title="Totem (media player)">Totem</a>, Nautlius, <a class="zem_slink" href="http://gnome.org/projects/evolution/" rel="homepage" title="Evolution (software)">Evolution</a>, and all the gang. Ubuntu thus looks much like any other GNOME distribution.<br />
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But it doesn't have to be that way. The questions about The GIMP are great -- they represent a critical look at what should be included. How many people do advanced photo editing? Few, probably. I would guess that the same can be said for PIMminess. Has the average user even even <i>opened</i> Evolution? Most home users handle all their personal business through web services like <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.yahoo.com/" rel="homepage" title="Yahoo!">Yahoo!</a> or <a class="zem_slink" href="http://google.com/" rel="homepage" title="Google">Google</a>.<br />
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First of all, UBuntu needs to decide whether it wants to be a home or professional operating system. Pro users want different things out of the box. Trying to please&#160; both sets of users with one CD is an exercise in frustration. Take a look at the table below to see what groups I think want various features (and keep in mind that it's easy to install these bits if you are an exception).<br />
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<table border="1"><tbody>
<tr><th>Application Class<br />
</th><th>Current Choice<br />
</th><th>Home User<br />
</th><th>Professional User<br />
</th> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Accessories<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Printing, Calculator, etc.<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Games<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">GNOME Games<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes, and more<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Photo Manager<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">F-Spot<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Bitmap Editor<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">The GIMP<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Vector Editor<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">OO.o Draw<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Image Scanner<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">XSANE<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">On insertion of a scanner<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">On insertion of a scanner<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">IM Client<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Empathy<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Probably no<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Personal Information Manager<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Evolution<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Not likely<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Web Browser<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Firefox<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Remote Desktop<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center"><a class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing" rel="wikipedia" title="Virtual Network Computing">VNC</a> Client and <a class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol" rel="wikipedia" title="Remote Desktop Protocol">RDP</a> Client<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Bittorrent Client<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Transmission<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No (a hundred times, "No!")<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">File Synchronization and Back-up<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Ubuntu One<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes, but not this one<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Presentation Software<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">OO.o Impress<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Spreadsheet Software<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">OO.o Calc<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Maybe<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Word Processor<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">OO.o Write<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Disc Burner<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Brasero<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Maybe<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Video and Audio Player<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Totem<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center">Music Manager<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Rhythmbox<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center">No<br />
</td> </tr>
</tbody></table><br />
Using very rough calculations (via <i>apt-cache show</i>'s size), the home user profile above would shave 75-80MB. That's more than enough to add more themes, a video introduction on first run, a video editor, cool games, or other things deemed useful for the home user.&#160; The corporate user will only get 60MB or so, but you could then make a case for removing Tomboy so that Mono could be ripped out, saving even more space. What would go in instead? Certainly the would be tools for connecting to directory services. Tracker should be installed and Nautilus should have Tracker functionality re-enabled.<br />
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Ubuntu devs are constantly fighting amongst themselves about which applications deserve to be on that tiny, 700MB disk. Serving two different customer bases with one CD just makes that problem worse. <br />
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You may have heard that <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gimp.org/" rel="homepage" title="GIMP">GIMP</a> and <a class="zem_slink" href="http://f-spot.org/" rel="homepage" title="F-Spot">F-Spot</a> aren't safe for inclusion in 10.04. 700MB isn't much space to work with Why not question all the applications in <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.ubuntu.com/" rel="homepage" title="Ubuntu">Ubuntu</a>, then? What should be in the default installation? I'll look category by category, but I'll talk a little about why the current defaults are chosen first.<br />
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Ubuntu is first and foremost a <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gnome.org/" rel="homepage" title="GNOME">GNOME</a> distribution. It takes GNOME applications unless there's a definitive reason not to. For example, <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/" rel="homepage" title="Firefox">Firefox</a> was originally used instead of the GNOME default <a class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_%28web_browser%29" rel="wikipedia" title="Epiphany (web browser)">Epiphany browser</a> because Epiphany was in a terrible state at the time, and FF is still preferred because it's a very poplar browser and serves as a familiar signpost to switchers. But mostly, you've got <a class="zem_slink" href="http://gnome.org/projects/totem/" rel="homepage" title="Totem (media player)">Totem</a>, Nautlius, <a class="zem_slink" href="http://gnome.org/projects/evolution/" rel="homepage" title="Evolution (software)">Evolution</a>, and all the gang. Ubuntu thus looks much like any other GNOME distribution.<br />
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But it doesn't have to be that way. The questions about The GIMP are great -- they represent a critical look at what should be included. How many people do advanced photo editing? Few, probably. I would guess that the same can be said for PIMminess. Has the average user even even <i>opened</i> Evolution? Most home users handle all their personal business through web services like <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.yahoo.com/" rel="homepage" title="Yahoo!">Yahoo!</a> or <a class="zem_slink" href="http://google.com/" rel="homepage" title="Google">Google</a>.<br />
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First of all, UBuntu needs to decide whether it wants to be a home or professional operating system. Pro users want different things out of the box. Trying to please&nbsp; both sets of users with one CD is an exercise in frustration. Take a look at the table below to see what groups I think want various features (and keep in mind that it's easy to install these bits if you are an exception).<br />
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<table border="1" padding="1" valign="center"><tbody>
<tr halign="center"><th style="background-color: orange; text-align: center;">Application Class<br />
</th><th style="background-color: orange; text-align: center;">Current Choice<br />
</th><th style="background-color: orange; text-align: center;">Home User<br />
</th><th style="background-color: orange; text-align: center;">Professional User<br />
</th> </tr>
<tr><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Accessories<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Printing, Calculator, etc.<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr halign="center"><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Games<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">GNOME Games<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Yes, and more<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Photo Manager<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">F-Spot<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">Bitmap Editor<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">The GIMP<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td><td halign="center" style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Vector Editor<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">OO.o Draw<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Image Scanner<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">XSANE<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">On insertion of a scanner<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">On insertion of a scanner<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">IM Client<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Empathy<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Probably no<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Personal Information Manager<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Evolution<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Not likely<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Web Browser<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Firefox<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Remote Desktop<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;"><a class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing" rel="wikipedia" title="Virtual Network Computing">VNC</a> Client and <a class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol" rel="wikipedia" title="Remote Desktop Protocol">RDP</a> Client<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Bittorrent Client<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Transmission<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">No (a hundred times, "No!")<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">File Synchronization and Back-up<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Ubuntu One<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes, but not this one<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Presentation Software<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">OO.o Impress<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Spreadsheet Software<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">OO.o Calc<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Maybe<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Word Processor<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">OO.o Write<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Disc Burner<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Brasero<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Maybe<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Video and Audio Player<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Totem<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td> </tr>
<tr><td style="text-align: center;">Music Manager<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Rhythmbox<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">Yes<br />
</td><td style="text-align: center;">No<br />
</td> </tr>
</tbody></table><br />
Using very rough calculations (via <i>apt-cache show</i>'s size), the home user profile above would shave 75-80MB. That's more than enough to add more themes, a video introduction on first run, a video editor, cool games, or other things deemed useful for the home user.&nbsp; The corporate user will only get 60MB or so, but you could then make a case for removing Tomboy so that Mono could be ripped out, saving even more space. What would go in instead? Certainly the would be tools for connecting to directory services. Tracker should be installed and Nautilus should have Tracker functionality re-enabled.<br />
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Ubuntu devs are constantly fighting amongst themselves about which applications deserve to be on that tiny, 700MB disk. Serving two different customer bases with one CD just makes that problem worse. <br />
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		<title>The Fate of Photo Editing in Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala</title>
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</div><div>You may have started to hear rumors that The <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gimp.org/" rel="homepage" title="GIMP">GIMP</a> and <a class="zem_slink" href="http://f-spot.org/" rel="homepage" title="F-Spot">F-Spot</a> aren't safe for inclusion in 10.04 Lucid Lynx. "What?!?" you say. "The GIMP has been in every <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gnome.org/" rel="homepage" title="GNOME">GNOME</a> distribution since GNOME existed (sinceGNOME is written to <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gtk.org/" rel="homepage" title="GTK+">GTK</a>, which stands for the GIMP ToolKit)." Well, well. Good idea. Not likely to move forward.<br />
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The argument goes like this:<br />
<ol><li>Not many people actually edit photos.</li>
<li>Fewer people use GIMP to do the editing, since the interface may be difficult for some.</li>
<li>Most of the editing people want to do on photos is available from within F-Spot, and thus GIMP is duplicating functionality.</li>
</ol>I think getting rid of The GIMP in the default install is a great idea. It takes up precious space on the <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.ubuntu.com/" rel="homepage" title="Ubuntu">Ubuntu</a> Live CD. It's easy to add later by searching for "graphics editor" or "photo editor." Unfortunately, getiing rid of the GIMP means that F-Spot needs to be examined, and it has been in a terrible state for several releases.<br />
<ul><li>It didn't work at all on 8.04 AMD64 at release time.</li>
<li>It had an awful "the sidebar has zero width" bug for two other releases.</li>
<li>It doesn't categorize or edit photos that aren't imported, even if those photos are in the ~/Pictures folder.</li>
</ul>The sharks circle F-Spot and say "since we're removing The GIMP, let's replace F-Spot, too. $Foo is a great project," where $Foo is one of:<br />
<ol><li><a class="zem_slink" href="http://gthumb.sourceforge.net/" rel="homepage" title="GThumb">gThumb</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.yorba.org/shotwell/">Shotwell</a></li>
</ol>gThumb has been around for a long time (and is still the default for <a class="zem_slink" href="http://fedoraproject.org/" rel="homepage" title="Fedora">Fedora</a>), but was replaced with F-Spot on Ubuntu several years ago. Are the Ubuntu developers going to admit that moving to F-Spot was a mistake? Are they going to appear to cave in to the Ubuntu users that oppose <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.mono-project.com/" rel="homepage" title="Mono (software)">Mono</a> apps in the default installation?<br />
<br />
Shotwell is a new photo management app for GNOME written in Vala, and it gets decent reviews. Still, it's new, untested, and doesn't support tagging or real editing options. Check out the Shotwell PPA by entering "ppa:yorba/ppa" into the Software Sources -&#62; Third-party tab.<br />
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So ... I don't think it's going to happen. I'd like to see this change (along with some others in the default application area), but there's not a clear path forward, and definitely not enough agreement to get a real plan.<br />
<br />
My preference? Leave 10.04LTS alone, get it as stable and bug-free as possible, and look to replace F-Spot with Solang (<a href="solang">install Solang</a>) in 10.10 when GNOME 2.X gives way to GNOME 3. <a href="http://debarshiray.multiply.com/">Debarshi Ray</a> has put a lot of work into this project. It's a photo manager which stores tagging information in Tracker, and he's written a <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/nautilus/" rel="homepage" title="Nautilus (file manager)">Nautilus</a> plug-in which handles Tracker tags, as well.&#160; Wouldn't it be nice if the information you entered in your photo manager was available to your other applications, and to Zeitgeist, as well?<br />
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</div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">You may have started to hear rumors that The <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gimp.org/" rel="homepage" title="GIMP">GIMP</a> and <a class="zem_slink" href="http://f-spot.org/" rel="homepage" title="F-Spot">F-Spot</a> aren't safe for inclusion in 10.04 Lucid Lynx. "What?!?" you say. "The GIMP has been in every <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gnome.org/" rel="homepage" title="GNOME">GNOME</a> distribution since GNOME existed (sinceGNOME is written to <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.gtk.org/" rel="homepage" title="GTK+">GTK</a>, which stands for the GIMP ToolKit)." Well, well. Good idea. Not likely to move forward.<br />
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<ol><li>Not many people actually edit photos.</li>
<li>Fewer people use GIMP to do the editing, since the interface may be difficult for some.</li>
<li>Most of the editing people want to do on photos is available from within F-Spot, and thus GIMP is duplicating functionality.</li>
</ol>I think getting rid of The GIMP in the default install is a great idea. It takes up precious space on the <a class="zem_slink" href="http://www.ubuntu.com/" rel="homepage" title="Ubuntu">Ubuntu</a> Live CD. It's easy to add later by searching for "graphics editor" or "photo editor." Unfortunately, getiing rid of the GIMP means that F-Spot needs to be examined, and it has been in a terrible state for several releases.<br />
<ul><li>It didn't work at all on 8.04 AMD64 at release time.</li>
<li>It had an awful "the sidebar has zero width" bug for two other releases.</li>
<li>It doesn't categorize or edit photos that aren't imported, even if those photos are in the ~/Pictures folder.</li>
</ul>The sharks circle F-Spot and say "since we're removing The GIMP, let's replace F-Spot, too. $Foo is a great project," where $Foo is one of:<br />
<ol><li><a class="zem_slink" href="http://gthumb.sourceforge.net/" rel="homepage" title="GThumb">gThumb</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.yorba.org/shotwell/">Shotwell</a></li>
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